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Our surveillance state…

 B sent me a video on this and an article crossed my feed at about the same time.  I think I’ve posted about it before as well, but the folks in Norfolk, VA are taking action regarding a violation of the 4th Amendment.  State, county, and local municipalities are buying into a thing called Flock.  

Basically it’s license plate readers that feed into a central repository and the data is held for 30 days.  So it’s warrantless surveillance.  Knowing where people are going and when is a very rich dataset.  It is touted as helping to find car thieves, etc. or other excuse to make it palatable to the public.

Here’s the thing.  There is NO control on access to the system.  Nor is it localized–someone with access in Norfolk can access cameras across the country that are on the Flock system.  As far as I can tell (and I called our local sheriff’s office about it), there’s no monitoring of access either.

The Institute for Justice noted some abuses that include tracking exes and their new boyfriends.  Also, security is pretty skimpy so all of that private information is pretty much there for the hacking.

Skynet is smiling….

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    Yet again, we are all getting flocked by these damnable busy bodies. I want a publicly accessible real time tracking system implanted in the ass of every government employee, so I can see how those oxygen thieves are wasting time (and my tax dollars) all day long. It should come equipped with a remotely triggerable self destruct mechanism as well.

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    The US Supreme Court has already ruled that mass surveillance of license plates violates the 4th amendment. He traditional way to get around the constitution in this is to use private companies to scarf up the data and then sell access to the data to the police.Frankly, if it is unconstitutional for the government to do it, it should be unconstitutional for them to out source it.

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    These FLOCK license tag readers are springing up all over my county now and naturally they're located in heavily traveled areas which make it easy for them to log the comings & goings of everyone 24/7. Over in England, the Brits are using battery powered saber saws to take down the hated ULEZ cameras. I have also noticed a couple of telephone pole mounted multi-directional cameras located at a couple of 4-way stops here in town as well.None of this crap is “new” btw… https://i.postimg.cc/kgpYb8st/I-Spy.png

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    and pd's will fork out $2500 each for these cameras…then tell the public it will help them catch criminals…and of course the feel good your data is deleted after 30 days…of course who really knows who all has access to all this data…

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    There is an iphone app for LEOs to access the nationwide database…sigh

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    Even worse, the Feds give grants for the installation, and then the taxpayers of the county/city/state have to pay the yearly fees. FLOCK spends a lot of money buying senators to get those grants granted.

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    I see a lot of LEO BOLO reports and there is a metric buttload of flock usage….

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    BIg Ruckus–We could just duct tape pagers to their asses….Anon–I completely agree. Our government doing an end-run around the Constitution is abhorrent and what they are doing should come under the Supremes' decision as well.WDS–I've been tempted to make use of my sawzall for sure. Haven't seen a bank of cameras but will keep an eye out.Anon–That's the question, right? The answer is pretty much everybody who's in law enforcement.B–That they do!NFO–Of course there would have to be an app for that as well!Matthew–And it can't all be for business purposes.

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    Yet every time a crime is committed, the po-po immediately run to the media asking for the “public's help”.

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    Remember. When you are in a public place. ANY public place ANYWHERE you have NO expectation of privacy. Plan and act accordingly.

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    Yet again, we are all getting flocked by these damnable busy bodies. I want a publicly accessible real time tracking system implanted in the ass of every government employee, so I can see how those oxygen thieves are wasting time (and my tax dollars) all day long. It should come equipped with a remotely triggerable self destruct mechanism as well.

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    The US Supreme Court has already ruled that mass surveillance of license plates violates the 4th amendment. He traditional way to get around the constitution in this is to use private companies to scarf up the data and then sell access to the data to the police.Frankly, if it is unconstitutional for the government to do it, it should be unconstitutional for them to out source it.

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    These FLOCK license tag readers are springing up all over my county now and naturally they're located in heavily traveled areas which make it easy for them to log the comings & goings of everyone 24/7. Over in England, the Brits are using battery powered saber saws to take down the hated ULEZ cameras. I have also noticed a couple of telephone pole mounted multi-directional cameras located at a couple of 4-way stops here in town as well.None of this crap is “new” btw… https://i.postimg.cc/kgpYb8st/I-Spy.png

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    and pd's will fork out $2500 each for these cameras…then tell the public it will help them catch criminals…and of course the feel good your data is deleted after 30 days…of course who really knows who all has access to all this data…

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    There is an iphone app for LEOs to access the nationwide database…sigh

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    Even worse, the Feds give grants for the installation, and then the taxpayers of the county/city/state have to pay the yearly fees. FLOCK spends a lot of money buying senators to get those grants granted.

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    I see a lot of LEO BOLO reports and there is a metric buttload of flock usage….

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    BIg Ruckus–We could just duct tape pagers to their asses….Anon–I completely agree. Our government doing an end-run around the Constitution is abhorrent and what they are doing should come under the Supremes' decision as well.WDS–I've been tempted to make use of my sawzall for sure. Haven't seen a bank of cameras but will keep an eye out.Anon–That's the question, right? The answer is pretty much everybody who's in law enforcement.B–That they do!NFO–Of course there would have to be an app for that as well!Matthew–And it can't all be for business purposes.

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    Yet every time a crime is committed, the po-po immediately run to the media asking for the “public's help”.

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    Remember. When you are in a public place. ANY public place ANYWHERE you have NO expectation of privacy. Plan and act accordingly.

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