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Finding justification where you can….

 In this case, Dartmouth College (one of the lesser known Ivys) is reinstating their previously suspended standardized testing requirement for admission.

They are citing a ‘new study’ that links standardized test scores with student success.  AND they claim it makes their admission process ‘more diverse’.

”Their illuminating study found that high school grades paired with standardized testing are the most reliable indicators for success in Dartmouth’s course of study. They also found that test scores represent an especially valuable tool to identify high-achieving applicants from low and middle-income backgrounds; who are first-generation college-bound; as well as students from urban and rural backgrounds.”

It’s truly interesting because the argument against the use of standardized tests is because they are somehow inherently racist.  And there are claims that they are discriminatory.

That’s one of the underlying justifications for DEI and such in higher ed–as they say it’s to fight discrimination and racism that’s inherent in the system.

But I think that colleges really would prefer to keep their doors open and they can’t if students are consistently flunking out.  Also the amount of money needed to keep students in school if they aren’t prepared is astronomical.

Not requiring standardized tests was a covid experiment that some schools punted immediately or didn’t implement at all.

I just think it’s funny that what was old is new again–they just needed the ‘right’ study to justify it.

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    Whites and Asians are generally capable of handling an Ivy League curricula. You can fill your college with whatever colors you want, but don't be surprised when the same two groups can cut it and the rest can't.

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    Anyone (and I mean ANYONE) who could not see that grades and test scores were an indicator or ability to make it in higher-ed was foolish. Of course, most people just followed the lead of others.At the end of it, good grades in HS and a decent test score were not guarantors of success in college, but they were a way to weed out the lower IQ and lesser motivated. T think other wise was foolish.

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    Going to colleges today is a waste of time unless the student know for sure they want to go to Med School or other esoteric fields. Colleges are great at one thing. turning out future socialists, Marxists and commies.Go to trade school. Lot's of financially very well off folks caxt fix their computer driven items. Call the May Tag Man

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    Well known to everyone in 1965 and widely ignored after 1980. An SAT over 1250 (out of 1600) was a pretty solid predictor, along with a B+ or better average in a college prep track (eg, math thru trig, chem, physics, etc) back in the day. That was about 20% or so of the population. That's the group that can actually benefit from post-secondary schooling that isn't basketweaving, ball, and woke bs. The rest are at most getting credentialed (if that). Waste of time to send pretty much anybody not in the top quintile to college, as they just don't have the brains to benefit. Doing so gets you today's 40-50% dropout rates, and 6 year completion times for what ought to be a 3-4 year program.

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    trade school or STEM only. everything else just cut out and delete.

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    That is interesting!

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    The advantage to DEI from the college's perspective is the same as for other corporations: whites and Asians won't riot and burn your business down if you discriminate against them, and the leftists will if you don't fulfill their demand if the week.In the 80s,businesses would donate to PUSH in response to Jesse Jackson's extortion. Today, it's BLM. Colleges have to claim “increases diversity” before doing something or risk being burned to the ground.

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    Anon–And they go through flaming hoops to get the others to be able to attend.B–It was a standard for years. And it's interesting that they are now backtracking.Jim–Can't argue with that.Anon–It's been a decades long psy-op to think that college is necessary for everyone.Avraham–I don't think that's the answer completely, but trade schools do need to take their place next to college.NFO–Indeed!Anon–They are kind of caught between a rock and a hard place.

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    Whites and Asians are generally capable of handling an Ivy League curricula. You can fill your college with whatever colors you want, but don't be surprised when the same two groups can cut it and the rest can't.

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    Anyone (and I mean ANYONE) who could not see that grades and test scores were an indicator or ability to make it in higher-ed was foolish. Of course, most people just followed the lead of others.At the end of it, good grades in HS and a decent test score were not guarantors of success in college, but they were a way to weed out the lower IQ and lesser motivated. T think other wise was foolish.

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    Going to colleges today is a waste of time unless the student know for sure they want to go to Med School or other esoteric fields. Colleges are great at one thing. turning out future socialists, Marxists and commies.Go to trade school. Lot's of financially very well off folks caxt fix their computer driven items. Call the May Tag Man

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    Well known to everyone in 1965 and widely ignored after 1980. An SAT over 1250 (out of 1600) was a pretty solid predictor, along with a B+ or better average in a college prep track (eg, math thru trig, chem, physics, etc) back in the day. That was about 20% or so of the population. That's the group that can actually benefit from post-secondary schooling that isn't basketweaving, ball, and woke bs. The rest are at most getting credentialed (if that). Waste of time to send pretty much anybody not in the top quintile to college, as they just don't have the brains to benefit. Doing so gets you today's 40-50% dropout rates, and 6 year completion times for what ought to be a 3-4 year program.

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    trade school or STEM only. everything else just cut out and delete.

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    That is interesting!

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    The advantage to DEI from the college's perspective is the same as for other corporations: whites and Asians won't riot and burn your business down if you discriminate against them, and the leftists will if you don't fulfill their demand if the week.In the 80s,businesses would donate to PUSH in response to Jesse Jackson's extortion. Today, it's BLM. Colleges have to claim “increases diversity” before doing something or risk being burned to the ground.

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    Anon–And they go through flaming hoops to get the others to be able to attend.B–It was a standard for years. And it's interesting that they are now backtracking.Jim–Can't argue with that.Anon–It's been a decades long psy-op to think that college is necessary for everyone.Avraham–I don't think that's the answer completely, but trade schools do need to take their place next to college.NFO–Indeed!Anon–They are kind of caught between a rock and a hard place.

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