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New York is following Florida's example to try to get good data

New York is asking their hospitals to start breaking out hospitalization data by reason of admission.  Covid numbers include people admitted to the hospital for other reasons (broken leg for example) who subsequently test positive for the wuflu.  

In Florida it looks like about half the people who are counted as covid hospitalizations were actually admitted due to the rona.  In New York, it’s ranging between 20 and 50% based on the governors cold calls.

We know that the numbers for kids are skewed (Fauxi admitted it), it makes sense that the numbers for adults would be as well.

Really can’t blame the hospitals for this.  They have been following the CDC guidelines for reporting, plus they get extra dollars for covid patients over regular ones.

For example on page 5 of the guidelines linked above (I added the bolding).  Please note that lab confirmed influenza is included with the covid numbers):

9. a) Total hospitalized adult
suspected or confirmed
positive COVID patients 

Subset:
b) Hospitalized adult
confirmed-positive COVID
patients
Patients currently hospitalized in an adult inpatient bed
who have laboratory-confirmed or suspected COVID19.

 Include those in observation beds.
Patients currently hospitalized in an adult inpatient
bed who have laboratory-confirmed COVID-19.
Include those in observation beds. Include patients
who have both laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and
laboratory- confirmed influenza in this field.

As an interesting note on page 8, there is an optional reporting field specifically for remdesivir but no other therapeutics.  Any bets as to why?  It’s also kind of funny that the guidance document refers to positive tests which somehow become cases (p 23) .

It’ll be interesting to find out how much covid overcounting goes on in New York and if this call for better data spreads to other states.  Betting Holcomb doesn’t jump on this bandwagon anytime soon.

ETA:  Apparently Ontario’s numbers are inflated by 50% also.  Shocking, that.

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    I will blame the hospitals. It is presumed that they possess more than a passing familiarity with medical and scientific protocols. Further, they have actual departments which are tasked solely to provide continual analysis of factors important within the medical community. Third, they have access to a long established network.Yet apparently they do not question the horseshit which dribbles down from the CDC. What else to conclude than its all about the money? This is medicine we're talking about here; it is not horse trading in fungible materials. The situation has devolved to a choice of the patient's well being or filthy lucre. Sure, there are many fine individuals within the meedical community who remain adherent to a code of conduct. But on a corporate level, that community has chosen not for the patient. 'Sorry, your health doesn't increase their wealth.'

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    Anon–I'll concede the point. Hospitals are no longer places to help people but are clearly businesses that perhaps incidentally help people. They should know better.

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    In the last 14 months I have twice attended meetings in an office located in the far reaches of a large hospital. This involved walking into the bowels of the facility away from those paths of nearly all patients. Once past the admissions lobby and that first level accessable to patients, I noticed no one, not one medical practioner, or staffer, or admin type wore a mask. A few actually smirked at me as I was still wearing that silly mask. In response, I tore the mask off my face. Not one person said a thing about it or reacted in the negative sense. I figure that I passed thirty persons in those long hallways. The mood in the office was merry and all were welcoming to me sans mask. This is all to say that the extreme sanitizing, the 'social distancing' (an oxymoron), the masking up, et. all are acknowleded as a ruse by the most learned medical personnel.

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    They do know better as my next comment evidences.BTW: I am known as Rick on WordPress. WordPress continues to mess with my log-in so here I am as 'anonymous'.

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    Hi Rick/Anon–We've seen the same behavior in political figures. It's all theater but their metaphorical mask slips off as often as their real one.

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    I will blame the hospitals. It is presumed that they possess more than a passing familiarity with medical and scientific protocols. Further, they have actual departments which are tasked solely to provide continual analysis of factors important within the medical community. Third, they have access to a long established network.Yet apparently they do not question the horseshit which dribbles down from the CDC. What else to conclude than its all about the money? This is medicine we're talking about here; it is not horse trading in fungible materials. The situation has devolved to a choice of the patient's well being or filthy lucre. Sure, there are many fine individuals within the meedical community who remain adherent to a code of conduct. But on a corporate level, that community has chosen not for the patient. 'Sorry, your health doesn't increase their wealth.'

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    Anon–I'll concede the point. Hospitals are no longer places to help people but are clearly businesses that perhaps incidentally help people. They should know better.

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    In the last 14 months I have twice attended meetings in an office located in the far reaches of a large hospital. This involved walking into the bowels of the facility away from those paths of nearly all patients. Once past the admissions lobby and that first level accessable to patients, I noticed no one, not one medical practioner, or staffer, or admin type wore a mask. A few actually smirked at me as I was still wearing that silly mask. In response, I tore the mask off my face. Not one person said a thing about it or reacted in the negative sense. I figure that I passed thirty persons in those long hallways. The mood in the office was merry and all were welcoming to me sans mask. This is all to say that the extreme sanitizing, the 'social distancing' (an oxymoron), the masking up, et. all are acknowleded as a ruse by the most learned medical personnel.

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    They do know better as my next comment evidences.BTW: I am known as Rick on WordPress. WordPress continues to mess with my log-in so here I am as 'anonymous'.

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    Hi Rick/Anon–We've seen the same behavior in political figures. It's all theater but their metaphorical mask slips off as often as their real one.

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