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FAFO Delayed is still FAFO in Iran

Forty years. That’s how long the Shiite fanatics have had an iron grip on Iran. That’s how long they’ve been building bombs for other fanatics and funding terror (thanks Obama for giving them $150 billion in cash and for killing off the Green Revolution almost 10 years ago) throughout the Middle East. And their nuclear program has been a constant form of worry for all of that time as well.

But no longer. Because we just bombed their nuclear program back to the Stone Age. And on the bright side, the secret plans to do it actually stayed secret so I guess the housecleaning in both the Oval office and the Pentagon is working.

Fanatics being fanatics, it is most likely that they are going to double down and have already said that they are going to continue their nuclear programs activities, which cannot be allowed. ETA: That said, I do not think we need to get any further involved and I’m not sure what led up to this action. We did our piece. The Saudis, Omanis, etc. can step up but I do not support US troops in Iran or anywhere else in the Middle East (or Ukraine for that matter).

They’ve put their populace in the path of harm, deliberately, by cutting off all internet and cell phone service, even within the country. Musk did activate Starlink in Iran to try to counteract the government communications lockdown.

Israel, as is their practice, does announce where their bombs are going to hit so civilians can get out of the way, but there’s no way for them to get the word because the Iranian government would rather keep ‘control’ and have them blown up so they can pretend to be the victims.

It’s going to be an interesting time….

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15 responses to “FAFO Delayed is still FAFO in Iran”

  1. Texas Dan Avatar
    Texas Dan

    I probably represent the mainstream of Americans who have actually never been worried about Iran going nuclear. No more than I worry about India, Pakistan, Israel, France, etc., already having the bomb. I will not cheerlead for Israel initiating a war they knew they couldn’t finish, knowing our government couldn’t resist playing our role in another episode of world policeman. Trump lied to us and I for one am not going down this America forever war rabbit hole again.

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    1. Midwest Chick Avatar
      Midwest Chick

      Texas Dan–I actually did worry about Iran’s nuclear program. That said, I completely understand your position and I do not want to get any further into this thing either–if the Saudis and others want to join in, more power to them. I would like for Trump to keep us out of military operations overseas completely–not our circus, not our monkeys. If Obama hadn’t done what he did, there is a high probability that this would have been resolved a decade ago.

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  2. Nemo Avatar
    Nemo

    What part of “Death to America and Death to Israel” are people not understanding alongside we’re enriching uranium to weapons grade so that we can accomplish that aim?

    So, we’re just supposed to stand idly by and let them accomplish that goal? How about Obozo supplying them with pallets of cash so they can accomplish that goal? You think that was smart? I don’t give a shit if it was their own money. It was impounded for a reason, which seems to escape every Demonrat administration since and including Jimma Carter.

    If someone came up to your home, knocked on the door and said “let me in, I want to kill you” while loading mags into the biggest assault weapon you’ve ever seen, would you open the door or shoot the azzhole through it?

    Most of the regional Arab/Muslim nations in the ME are aghast at Iran’s behavior. How many times since the Balfour agreement have Arab/Muslims attacked Israel and got the shit kicked out them for their trouble. I’m willing to bet the Egyptians, Saudi’s and the Paki’s are signing the praises of Allah that Iran has been taken out in a master stroke of military planning.

    Wait’ll you see what happens if Iran follows through on their announced plan to close the Straight of Hormuz.

    Do you REALLY think that Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar and Iraq are going to allow a neutered Iran to shut off their main economic cash flow? Did any of those countries complain when Israel went into Syria and wiped out their war planes and other war fighting materials after Assad was deposed?

    Iran’s only area proxy left that’s in any shape to fight are the Houthi’s and they’re not in very good shape after receiving a few return salvo’s when they tried to attack a U.S. destroyer in the Red Sea.

    These dumb effg Arabs STILL haven’t gotten the message. You don’t fuck with Israel and expect to make it out alive. You’d think after 78 years and a half dozen major wars with various players getting the shit kicked out of them for their trouble, they’d learn. But no. They persist to their peril.

    For a whole host of other reasons I’m not going to go into here, I’m not a big fan of Israel. However, I will defend their right to defend themselves, just like I would if it was the USA being attacked and to take limited preemptive actions as dictated by these shit hole turd world country’s actions.

    Do we REALLY want shit hole turd world dictatorships like Iran and N. Korea dictating global politics because they have nukes?

    I don’t think so and I think many would agree. I also think Iran was damned lucky we didn’t use nukes on them after they took the hostages from the American embassy. Me being Regan? Iran would have been glass the day after the hostages were released and we never would have to worry about that shit hole again for the next couple million years.

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  3. Texas Dan Avatar
    Texas Dan

    Nemo, you should get out more. Death to America is any day ending in Y in Karachi. You know the people who already have 160 nukes. Are they next? Oh I forgot, Remember the Maine or is it the Lusitania or Pearl Harbor or the Gilf of Tonkin or Saddsm has chemical weapons, and on and on. We have always been at war with Eastasiana.

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  4. Radar Avatar
    Radar

    The ayatollahs have said many times they want to destroy America, and have repeatedly demonstrated they will kill Americans. They are working steadily to acquire ICBM’s and nukes.
    If a man who says he wants to kill me is reaching for a gun, I see no benefit in allowing him to pick it up.

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  5. avraham Avatar
    avraham

    i am worried about the commerce on the gulf of Hurmuz

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  6. Joe Avatar
    Joe

    Really, Texas Dan, you think Pearl Hatbor was fake? I suppose Bush also took town the Twin Towers.

    The rest you say is negated by that nonsense.

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  7. Unferth Avatar
    Unferth

    I have a lot of very mixed feelings on this.

    The world is a much better place since the United States took on the mantle of The World’s Policemen in 1945. But we did that only to oppose the Soviet Union — which fell in 1990. Since then, we’ve just been the world’s policeman because we were the world’s policemen.

    Frankly, I’m tired of being p*ssed on by the European’s who outsourced their defense to the US and then took that money and put it into socialized medicine. Every time one of those smug SOBs brags about their healthcare system, I want to tell them it is only because the US has been carrying their water for the last 80 years. Furthermore, they love Monday morning quarterbacking the US; constantly criticizing us for doing (or not doing) what they cannot do on the world stage.

    I’ve read a good portion of the Qu’ran. I’ve listened and watched Iran since the 70s (some family friends were “Persian”). The odds are low that the Iranian Death Cult members would play nice if they acquired nukes. If they thought they could eliminate Israel, they would (even if it cost them the lives of everyone in their own country). Just look at the October 4th attack on Israel that Iran sponsored.

    The US could get along just fine with only oil from the western hemisphere. If we modified our refineries (not necessarily an easy task) to be able to process our own crude, we could be completely oil independent.

    Part of the reason the US has had a standard of living higher than we should have for the last 50 years is the petro-dollar. I always thought it was created by Eisenhower, but it was created by Nixon. Taking the US off the gold standard significantly weakened the US dollar as a global reserve currency, making a deal with the Saudis to create the petro-dollar somewhat stabilized it. Biden killed the petro-dollar by politically attacking Saudi Arabia.

    If we no long have the petro-dollar, and we don’t need mid-east oil, why are we risking American lives for the mid-east? If it’s going to turn into a cesspit, why not let Europe and Asia deal with it? They only real concern is making sure the Iranians can’t attack the US.

    I don’t want Iran to have nukes. I’m under no delusion that we can cause regime change in Iran (on the one hand their power structure is very centralized in Khomeini, on the other hand, it is very decentralized through 1000s of mullahs). I absolutely do not want boots-on-the ground in Iran. I have no problem turning it into a cesspit of human misery analogous to Obama/Hillary’s Libya.

    As far as Israel goes, I don’t care. I used to. But my Jewish friends and family have convinced me that I just don’t care. At least not enough to risk any American lives in defending them.

    In some ways, the Ukraine was just a warm-up. Iran is a distraction. When China makes good on their promise to go to war between now and 2030, that’s when the real show begins. Since the Ukraine doesn’t seem to have dampened Xi’s plans for war, maybe completely eliminating Iran will.

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  8. Midwest Chick Avatar
    Midwest Chick

    Nemo–I am hoping the Saudis, etc. will stand up if Iran tries to close the Straits of Hormuz. Because then they are getting hit in their pocketbooks.

    Texas Dan–Yes, but the presence of nukes takes it to a new level. The fact that Pakistan does have them is problematic. But for Iran to have them would be catastrophic.

    Radar–Good analogy.

    avraham–The other countries will have to step up if anything happens there.

    Joe–Indeed. Thanks!

    Unferth–Well said and I agree with most of it. The Europeans second guessing anything we do because they are too lazy or too pussified can kiss my butt. I have Persian friends as well so keep a closer eye on things going on there. And yeah, China is the one to watch. They’ve been playing the long game since Nixon opened trade with them in the 70s.

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  9. Gerry Avatar
    Gerry

    “Because we just bombed their nuclear program back to the Stone Age.”

    Really? No backup drives? No test or procurement data? They can’t make fire or the wheel? (Joking)

    They still have oil which means they still have money. If they have money they can buy what was broken and replace the people who were killed. They have the data so they will not be starting from scratch.

    Now the question in my mind is that a worthwhile activity for them. Do they have 5-10 years they want to waste on it, just to be bombed again. Or do they tell the UN to f-off and work inspector free, launching a weapon ASAP?

    You probably need a regime change to make the region safe but we have a terrible track record on nation building anywhere besides Japan and Germany

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  10. Old NFO Avatar
    Old NFO

    In all probability, they already HAVE the capability to make a ‘dirty’ bomb. 60% refined is ‘easy’ to get to 90% refined which is the ‘requirement’ for a true nuclear weapon. Anybody that is NOT scared of those two options is not playing with a full deck. Yes, Pakis, Indians, etc. have nukes. And ‘people’ were worried last month when the Pakis and Indians got into it, as ISI controls the Paki nukes and they don’t care WHO they use them on… And they don’t hold a candle to Iran, who have been killing Americans in dribs and drabs since 1979, when they declared war on us.

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  11. T Roy Avatar
    T Roy

    Iran is and has been a state sponsor of various legitimately branded terror groups for decades. That being the case- if you threaten peace loving countries long enough- you will eventually be humbled by those who make peace possible.

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  12. Midwest Chick Avatar
    Midwest Chick

    Gerry–Hard telling what they’ll do.

    NFO–That sums it up.

    TRoy–In this case, 40 some odd years.

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  13. Nemo Avatar
    Nemo

    @Old NFO – When the Ayatollah announced that “the world will remember what happens tonight for centuries”(maybe not an exact quote) I thought that a dirty warhead launched into Tel Aviv or Jerusalem was in the offing. I also think that statement was what pushed Trump to give the go order for the bombing run.

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    1. Midwest Chick Avatar
      Midwest Chick

      Nemo–I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, but that seems plausible.

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