(A.K.A. Non-Original Rants)

–Co-opting good stuff from all over the ‘Net and maybe some original thoughts—ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

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Riddle me this, FDA…

 There’s a petition to remove Red Dye #3 from use in foods in the US (it’s already banned in Europe).  It’s only one out of a plethora that are still used in US foods but not across the pond.

But here’s the kicker about Red Dye 3 that just floored me.  I’ve highlighted it below…

The petition argues the FDA should ban Red 3 because under the 1960 Delaney Clause, the FDA is not allowed to deem a color additive safe if it has caused cancer in animals or humans ‘at any dose.’

The agency used that clause as a pretext to ban Red 3, also known as erythrosine, from cosmetic products like lipstick in 1990 because high doses of the chemical caused cancer in rats during tests.

So Red 3 was banned from being used in cosmetics in 1990 because it caused cancer.  And it took them almost 10 years to do that.  But they allowed it to be eaten.  By children.  For decades.

Holy fuck.  There shouldn’t have been a question and there shouldn’t be a need for another petition 34 years later.  If it wasn’t safe for cosmetics, it damn skippy isn’t safe to eat.  That would be that thing called common sense.

So these things have to meet FDA standards, which to me look like they suck twelve kinds of ass and are essentially useless.  Because why on this good green earth would they allow something to remain IN FOOD that they wouldn’t allow to be used topically?

So really at this point in time, what use is the FDA?  Why should we trust ANYTHING that is FDA approved?  They’ve been either co-opted (they’re the ones who tried to hide documents on the covid shot testing process for 75 years and just got slapped down–just the latest in a long line of corruption) or just stupid.   Everything they’ve ever approved needs to be reviewed and the banning process needs to be streamlined.



  1. Not trying to defend the FDA (about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, or something like that), but the phrase “at any dose” is very troublesome. Because almost anything, at high enough doses, will cause cancer. Same with industry pollution – we are now held to a standard of parts per BILLION, with a B, on many components that are simply not proven to be harmful. In any event, like with the dept of education, we can look at the past 50 years and see how things have simply gotten worse, then shitcan that dept and let nature take it's course.

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  2. You've not yet learned to not trust ANYTHING the govt does “for your benefit”?

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  3. Exactly. I agree that people need to realize that our detection range is better by an order of magnitude today vs 4 years ago….While much of the hype on things is their mere presence, and therefore unfounded fears, it isn't always. In this case, her point is that they banned the dye in lipstick, but not in foods, and at nearly the same levels. In this instance it isn't PPB, it is PPM (or even greater quantities), a significant difference.

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  4. another food dye that should be remove is any food dye that has Lake because this contains aluminum. while not cancerous it does cause problems.

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  5. Corrupt or stupid?Corrupt or stupid?Corrupt or stupid?Can't they be both?

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  6. The US in US government stands for Unbelievably Stupid.

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  7. So in effect the FDA causes cancer by not banning cancer causing agents. That means the FDA should be banned under their own guidelines.

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  8. California… they ban EVERYTHING…

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  9. The FDA sold out decades ago. They haven't cared about actual safety for many years.

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  10. I sincerely hope Trump, RFK , and all of his appointees can turn this country around but the pessimist in me tells me it’s too deep and gone on for too long.Too many people in high places value money over character, morals, patriotism, or integrity.

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  11. I Bing'ed to find out if erythrosine accumulates in the body or not, but no one mentioned it anywhere. The law should be based on whether the excess is excreted or stored in kidneys?

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  12. Don–Both the FDA and the EPA need to be shaken up. In this particular case though, the FDA did not apply the same litmus (millions as B indicated) to something topical that is also ingested. It should have been a blanket ban.Anon–But some folks still think they do. The emperor now has no clothes.Jm-Agreed. And it shouldn't be used in injections either.Gerry–They definitely are bothp2–AbsolutelySteve–I like the way you think!NFO–True, but that doesn't make them wrong all of the time…Dan–For at least 50 years, I think.Anon–Finger crossed that they are allowed to do what's needed.bk–It causes cancer. No?

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  13. Anyone who thinks that so-called “regulatory” agencies exist to protect US, and NOT the industries they “regulate,” clearly hasn't been paying ANY ATTENTION to the government since the first one, the Interstate Commerce Commission was CREATED, BACKED, and STAFFED by the big railroads in the late 1800s. They are ALL about creating regulations/controls/requirements that protect the entrenched players from upstart competitors, and creating “legal limits” behind which all players can HIDE from legal prosecution. The FDA is just the protector of bigPharma. If you think otherwise, you are clueless.

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  14. MC…maybe it does, in massive doses, but no one eats a cup a day, and if it can't accumulate, no one ever will, and so it's harmless outside of the lab.Also, I challenge anyone to show a viable medical study. Outside of twins research and Mengele, there aren't any ways to do ethical research. Studies of medical studies consistently show that self-serving or just plain wrong.Are you really expecting me to eat yellow cherry fruit pies? Are you effing kidding me???

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  15. Not trying to defend the FDA (about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish, or something like that), but the phrase “at any dose” is very troublesome. Because almost anything, at high enough doses, will cause cancer. Same with industry pollution – we are now held to a standard of parts per BILLION, with a B, on many components that are simply not proven to be harmful. In any event, like with the dept of education, we can look at the past 50 years and see how things have simply gotten worse, then shitcan that dept and let nature take it's course.

    Like

  16. You've not yet learned to not trust ANYTHING the govt does “for your benefit”?

    Like

  17. Exactly. I agree that people need to realize that our detection range is better by an order of magnitude today vs 4 years ago….While much of the hype on things is their mere presence, and therefore unfounded fears, it isn't always. In this case, her point is that they banned the dye in lipstick, but not in foods, and at nearly the same levels. In this instance it isn't PPB, it is PPM (or even greater quantities), a significant difference.

    Like

  18. another food dye that should be remove is any food dye that has Lake because this contains aluminum. while not cancerous it does cause problems.

    Like

  19. Corrupt or stupid?Corrupt or stupid?Corrupt or stupid?Can't they be both?

    Like

  20. The US in US government stands for Unbelievably Stupid.

    Like

  21. So in effect the FDA causes cancer by not banning cancer causing agents. That means the FDA should be banned under their own guidelines.

    Like

  22. California… they ban EVERYTHING…

    Like

  23. The FDA sold out decades ago. They haven't cared about actual safety for many years.

    Like

  24. I sincerely hope Trump, RFK , and all of his appointees can turn this country around but the pessimist in me tells me it’s too deep and gone on for too long.Too many people in high places value money over character, morals, patriotism, or integrity.

    Like

  25. I Bing'ed to find out if erythrosine accumulates in the body or not, but no one mentioned it anywhere. The law should be based on whether the excess is excreted or stored in kidneys?

    Like

  26. Don–Both the FDA and the EPA need to be shaken up. In this particular case though, the FDA did not apply the same litmus (millions as B indicated) to something topical that is also ingested. It should have been a blanket ban.Anon–But some folks still think they do. The emperor now has no clothes.Jm-Agreed. And it shouldn't be used in injections either.Gerry–They definitely are bothp2–AbsolutelySteve–I like the way you think!NFO–True, but that doesn't make them wrong all of the time…Dan–For at least 50 years, I think.Anon–Finger crossed that they are allowed to do what's needed.bk–It causes cancer. No?

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  27. Anyone who thinks that so-called “regulatory” agencies exist to protect US, and NOT the industries they “regulate,” clearly hasn't been paying ANY ATTENTION to the government since the first one, the Interstate Commerce Commission was CREATED, BACKED, and STAFFED by the big railroads in the late 1800s. They are ALL about creating regulations/controls/requirements that protect the entrenched players from upstart competitors, and creating “legal limits” behind which all players can HIDE from legal prosecution. The FDA is just the protector of bigPharma. If you think otherwise, you are clueless.

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  28. MC…maybe it does, in massive doses, but no one eats a cup a day, and if it can't accumulate, no one ever will, and so it's harmless outside of the lab.Also, I challenge anyone to show a viable medical study. Outside of twins research and Mengele, there aren't any ways to do ethical research. Studies of medical studies consistently show that self-serving or just plain wrong.Are you really expecting me to eat yellow cherry fruit pies? Are you effing kidding me???

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